26 September 2026

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Michael Palin doesn’t feel like a ‘man’ anymore in his 80s. But what does that mean and does it bring a new freedom?

In conversation with Michael Rosen – who has recently turned 80 himself – Palin reflects on the fading of those competitive instincts that motivated him as a young star of Monty Python. And how he has learned to embrace an entirely ‘unmale’ worldview in his later years.

The two Michaels discuss how, as we age, the things that feel so important to many young men are put into stark perspective by grief. Just as he entered his 80s, Palin lost Helen, his wife of 60 years. Together they consider how to hold onto the sense of who we are in the face of such world-shaking blows.

Presenter: Michael Rosen

Producer: Rich Power

Executive Producer: Dave Anderson

Sound Mixer: Dan King

Editor: Kirsten Lass

Production Manager: Emily Duffy

Commissioning Editor: Dan Clarke

A Loftus Media Production for BBC Radio 4