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    Get Involved - 'It should have been a penalty'published at 11:16 BST

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    I don't think anyone disagrees the Raya incident is a foul. But the problem is consistency. That has happened to goalkeepers up and down the country and no foul was given. Also, there are clear fouls from Arsenal defenders before the foul on Raya so it should be a penalty.

    Andrew

  2. 'I've had a dislike for goalkeepers throughout my career'published at 11:08 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Wayne Rooney on The Wayne Rooney Show

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    Rooney laments 'big advantage' given to keepers after Arsenal win

    I think where VAR is consistent and the referees are consistent - and I hate it - is you go anywhere near the goalkeeper and it's a foul.

    You go anywhere near the goalkeeper and you give a foul. Throughout my career as a player, I've had a dislike for goalkeepers because of that reason.

    I think because they can jump with their arms and so they have got a big advantage and normally they come out with their knees and the studs down your back and stuff.

    But I think it is consistent with goalkeepers that [if] you go near them, they normally get a free-kick.

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    Get Involved - 'VAR's easiest decision all season'published at 10:59 BST

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    Obvious foul. The players arm across his throat holding his arm. Raya couldn’t get off the floor to get to the ball! Also shirt being pulled from behind! That was VAR's easiest decision all season!

    Joyce, Letchworth

    West Ham players Pablo and Todibo foul Arsenal goalkeeper David RayaImage source, Getty Images
  4. Gunners 'invented' new dark artspublished at 10:55 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Luke Edwards
    Daily Telegraph writer on The Football Daily podcast

    Chris Kavanagh has been sent over to that screen, and it is a foul.

    David Raya's arm is held throughout the entire incident. He cannot move his arm freely. I know there will be fans of other clubs that will accuse Arsenal of dark arts.

    Arsenal have not only known every trick in the book, but they have invented some new ones.

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    Get Involved - If decision was made in Palace v Everton 'nobody gives it a second mention'published at 10:50 BST

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    If that incident happens in say, the Palace v Everton game, the goal rightly gets disallowed and nobody gives it a second mention because it's such an obvious foul.

    Gary

  6. Is it clear and obvious if it takes over four minutes?published at 10:47 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Dale Johnson
    Football issues correspondent

    There has been a lot of talk about the length of time it took the VAR, Darren England, and referee Chris Kavanagh to rule out the goal.

    England spent two minutes 41 seconds poring over every angle.

    Kavanagh spent one minute 15 seconds at the monitor.

    In total, it took four minutes 11 seconds on a decision potentially deciding the title and the final relegation place.

    There was a lot going on, many possible fouls to assess and the chronology to sort out.

    It was a decision with such monumental consequences, if ever there was a decision to take your time over and get it right this was it.

    So don't look at time in this way to try to determine whether it was clear and obvious - look at the final outcome.

    Referee Chris Kavanagh looks at the monitor in the London StadiumImage source, Getty Images
  7. Postpublished at 10:45 BST

    Craig Nelson
    BBC Sport reporter

    It's a fair point Greg, technology has been introduced to the game to minimise the chance that the result of a match, relegation or title race could be secured by a potential injustice.

    What many players, managers, pundits and fans struggle with is that - despite the technology now being available - that feeling of injustice still remains.

    Is this something we should just accept - football is a game of opinions, where decisions are not always black and white - or do we still need to make improvements to the way the technology is used and decisions are made?

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    Get Involved - 'If we didn't have VAR...we'd be calling for it'published at 10:38 BST

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    If we didn’t have VAR, this morning we’d be talking about a seismic goal that should have been disallowed. And therefore calling for VAR…

    Greg

  9. Recap - Did VAR get it right in Arsenal win?published at 10:34 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Let's quickly take stock, before continuing this debate.

    This morning, we have been looking at Arsenal's dramatic win against West Ham that has implications at both ends of the Premier League table.

    The game - and perhaps this season's title race - was defined by a Hammers equaliser that was disallowed following VAR intervention - and there's been no shortage of debate on the call.

    Here's a look at everything we have looked at so far:

    We’ve also had plenty of your thoughts coming in. Keep getting in touch by clicking 'Get Involved' on the page.

  10. How the table stands - Arsenal, West Ham, Leeds & Forestpublished at 10:28 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Just how important was this result?

    Well, the outcome of Arsenal's dramatic 1-0 win at West Ham is that the Gunners have strengthened their grip on the Premier League title race and West Ham have been plunged deeper into relegation trouble, while the safety of two other teams was confirmed.

    All of this hinged on the result of one VAR decision.

    Mikel Arteta's league leaders now have a five-point cushion over second-placed Manchester City, who have three matches to play compared with Arsenal's two.

    Meanwhile, West Ham remain in 18th place, one point behind 17th-placed Tottenham, who have three matches remaining, compared to the Hammers' two, and a vastly superior goal difference.

    Spurs can move four points clear tonight with a win at home to Leeds United.

    Both Leeds, in 16th, and Nottingham Forest, in 15th, are now seven points clear of West Ham and safe from relegation following Sunday's results, which included a 1-1 draw for Forest at home to Newcastle United.

    Premier League table
  11. 'Magnitude of the game'published at 10:24 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Jay Bothroyd
    Former Premier League striker on BBC Radio 5 Live

    First and foremost, I just want to say that if this wasn't Arsenal and the magnitude of the game wasn't what it was, with West Ham being in a renegotiation battle and Arsenal being in the title charge, I don't think we'd be even having this conversation.

    Ultimately, it is a foul on David Raya.

    Arsenal use set-pieces and they score goals from them. They're one of the best. Every team does the same thing now. That's just the way the game goes.

    It was the right decision - it just took so long, but it took so long because of the magnitude of the game.

    Screen at London Stadium showing VAR decisionImage source, Getty Images
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    Get Involved - 'Foul on Raya completely irrelevant to the goal'published at 10:19 BST

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    Nobody is mentioning the fact that Raya managed to punt the ball, and it was then booted out of the box. The goal itself didn't even come from the corner, meaning the "foul" on Raya was completely irrelevant to the goal.

    Sam, Oldham

  13. Foul which has material impact on play will always be prioritisedpublished at 10:12 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Dale Johnson
    Football issues correspondent

    There have been many questions as to why the VAR chose to give the foul by Pablo on David Raya.

    What about Leandro Trossard on Pablo or Declan Rice on Crysencio Summerville?

    There was a lot going on, which is why the VAR, Darren England, needed over two minutes to assess everything.

    In these cases, unless another foul clearly comes first, the VAR will prioritise the offence which has a material impact on the play. In this incident, it was Raya's ability to claim or play the ball as he intended.

    Rice's hold on Summerville was a clear non-footballing action so could have been a penalty - but Pablo's foul on Raya came first.

    What about if there was a foul on an attacker before Raya was held?

    The goal would still need to be disallowed and a penalty awarded.

    The VAR could not play advantage off a penalty incident and ignore a subsequent foul on the goalkeeper.

    It is a bit like the Erling Haaland and Dominik Szoboszlai situation earlier this year. An advantage to Man City was played, but there was a foul by Haaland before the ball crossed the line.

    The goal had to be disallowed and play pulled back to the City free-kick, which would have been given but for the advantage.

    Erling Haaland and Dominik SzoboszlaiImage source, Getty Images
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    Get Involved - 'Give us a rugby-like VAR'published at 10:05 BST

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    Agree with Henry Winter, the whole reason we all called for VAR pre-2019 was because of how well it works in cricket & rugby. 5 minutes is a long time for fans in the stadium with no idea what's going on with no communication from the refs. Needs to change.

    Sam, Southampton

    Give us a rugby-like VAR. The supporters are treated like idiots compared to many sports that show these decisions on screen. Also makes the refs more accountable on the day.

    Barrie, Stoke Poges

    Henry Winter makes a good comment about VAR giving explanations as to the process but football isn’t like cricket, so much is based on interpretation and subjective. It would cause uproar to hear those discussions live, they try their best not to even release them afterwards!

    Dave, Cotswolds

  15. 'One time I actually think VAR did a good job'published at 10:01 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Wayne Rooney on The Wayne Rooney Show

    Chris Kavanagh reviews a VAR decisionImage source, Getty Images

    It's a clear foul. You're going to obviously get a lot of people saying they think it should have stood because it's controversial and probably all the [Manchester] City players, staff, fans are going to say it should have stood.

    And then you're going to get all the Tottenham fans, players, staff saying it shouldn't have stood and of course the Arsenal fans and stuff.

    But it's a clear foul. I think you can clearly see the arm crosses his face and it impacts him getting to the ball. So I think it's the right decision.

    It's the one time I actually think VAR has done a really good job in such an important game.

  16. 'Similar incidents weren't seen the same way'published at 09:58 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Thomas Hitzlsperger
    Former Aston Villa midfielder on BBC Radio 5 Live

    This particular incident, I agree, the goal shouldn't have stood and it didn't stand, so that's correct.

    The fact that Arsenal played this way all season and similar incidents weren't seen the same way, that makes it more complicated.

    I think it would have been a nice touch from Chris Kavanagh to say, goal disallowed, but we're giving a penalty.

    When you look at some of the Arsenal players, the way they're pulling West Ham players, I'd say that's a consolation.

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    Get Involved - 'Inconsistency from refs all season'published at 09:54 BST

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    If that’s a foul, Arsenal wouldn’t be top of the league right now. Feels reminiscent of the 2021 F1 finale where the rules are inexplicably changed to suit one side.

    Rich, Basingstoke

    It's a foul but it's bitter because of the inconsistency over physicality at corners all season - mainly by Arsenal players. Look at the photo; Trossard isn't even looking at the ball and he's attempting to pull down Pablo. That's a foul in itself, nevermind Rice wrestling Mavropanos.

    Sally

    Inconsistency from refs all season. Arsenal have made it a tactic. Some you win some you lose. This time they were lucky (again)

    John, Kent

  18. 'You won't get away with holding onto a goalkeeper's arm'published at 09:48 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Dale Johnson
    Football issues correspondent

    David Raya of Arsenal is fouled by Pablo of West Ham UnitedImage source, Getty Images

    Since Sunday even we've seen a lot of other examples floating around social media of potential fouls on a goalkeeper - where a goal has been allowed to stand.

    Crucially, Pablo's challenge on David Raya is not the same.

    Pablo has his arm fully across the goalkeeper, with his hand holding on to the opposite arm.

    This clearly limits Raya's ability to claim or play the ball and is markedly different - it is a clear case of impeding a goalkeeper.

    Perhaps the most direct example affected Arsenal three years ago. They had a goal disallowed against Leicester through VAR for Ben White holding the arm of Danny Ward as the goalkeeper was about to come out and attempt a punch.There have been several goals this season where an attacker has been in contact with a goalkeeper and VAR has stayed out of it, but not when an arm is being held in the act of trying to claim, play or catch the ball.

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    Get Involved - 'Foul that matters most is on Raya'published at 09:45 BST

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    I’ve watched the incident several times and yes there are multiple fouls in the box, but the foul that matters most as it incapacitated Raya from making a save has to be given. The wrestling in the box needs to stop we see it every week from every team !

    Darren, Southampton

    Darren Cann summed it up perfectly on MOTD; VAR have to judge what is the ‘material’ outcome of all the grappling in the box. Ultimately that was the foul on Raya, preventing him from making the save.

    Joshua, London

  20. 'Embarrassing for the Premier League and PGMOL'published at 09:42 BST

    West Ham 0-1 Arsenal

    Henry Winter
    Football writer on BBC Radio 5 Live

    On players grappling in the box during corners...

    It is now down to the referees to be stronger on this.

    It is embarrassing for the Premier League and PGMOL [Professional Game Match Officials Limited], the referees union, effectively. They should address this and have more consistency.