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    Get Involvedpublished at 12:41 BST

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    With a Europa League semi second-leg coming up, and just a 1-0 lead, Forest will presumably feel they have to rest players this afternoon. They're playing three massive games in a week before either WHU or Spurs have to lift a finger. I think they'll survive, but momentum could suffer.

    Graham Turner

  2. Can Forest achieve survival & European glory?published at 12:38 BST

    Nottingham Forest

    Here's how Nottingham Forest's remaining schedule could look if they reach the Europa League final:

    • 4 May: Premier League - Chelsea (a)
    • 7 May: Europa League - Aston Villa (a)
    • 10 May: Premier League - Newcastle (h)
    • 17 May: Premier League - Man Utd (a)
    • 20 May: Europa League final
    • 24 May: Premier League - Bournemouth (h)
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    Get Involvedpublished at 12:34 BST

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    Leeds will go out next week to really give Spurs a beating. This isn’t over yet!

    Ken

  4. Forest aim to take leap towards safetypublished at 12:31 BST

    Chelsea v Nottingham Forest (15:00 BST)

    Vitor PereiraImage source, Getty Images

    So can Nottingham Forest take a big leap towards safety this afternoon?

    Vitor Pereira's side travel to Stamford Bridge aware victory at Chelsea would move them six points clear of the relegation places, with just three games remaining.

    That would be a huge relief, just three days before they bid to reach the Europa League final in their second leg against Aston Villa.

    Survival and a European trophy? Now that sounds pretty good, doesn't it Forest fans. Let us know if you think that's on the cards...

  5. Postpublished at 12:25 BST

    Chelsea v Nottingham Forest (15:00 BST)

    And it is to Forest that we next turn our attention...

    By the end of the day, Vitor Pereira's side could have reached 42 points - a tally, as we have just discussed, which has been enough for survival in all but one season in Premier league history.

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    Get Involvedpublished at 12:22 BST

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    Don’t like the look of Forest’s run in…

    Jon

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    Get Involvedpublished at 12:18 BST

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    I know it's really really early doors but, judging by Conor Gallagher's comments, Roberto De Zerbi seems to have gone in and completely understood the zeitgeist in that failing Spurs dressing room. I hesitate to use that word "galvanised", but could he have?

    David

  8. When 42 points was not enough for survivalpublished at 12:14 BST

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    The 2002-03 season stands out in that list of Premier League points needed for survival.

    And West Ham fans will not need to be reminded of which unlucky club went down to the Championship after amassing a tally of 42 points.

    Yes, the Hammers were undone by a Bolton Wanderers side that was inspired by moments of magic from one Jay Jay Okocha in the run-in, including a wonderful solo goal to beat the Hammers 1-0 in April, as the Whites ended on 44 points to secure their safety.

    A Hammers side, packed with internationals such as David James, Glenn Johnson, Trevor Sinclar, Joe Cole, Frederick Kanoute, Jermain Defoe and Les Ferdinand, and inspired by interim manager Sir Trevor Brooking, battled manfully until the final day but just fell short.

    The question is, if they were able to pick up six points from their final three games to once again finish on 42 points, would that be enough?

    Or could lightning be about to strike twice?

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    Get Involvedpublished at 12:10 BST

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    West Ham were always going down due to the terrible start and goal difference. Nuno has done a good job but several defenders are not good enough. Hopefully most players will stay and they come back up next season.

    Nicholas

  10. History of points needed to survive in the Premier Leaguepublished at 12:01 BST

    A graphic showing the points tallies of the 18th placed team +1
    • 1992-93 – 50 (42-game season)
    • 1993-94 – 43 (42-game season)
    • 1994-95 – 46 (42-game season)
    • 1995-96 – 39
    • 1996-97 – 41
    • 1997-98 – 41
    • 1998-99 – 37
    • 1999-00 – 34
    • 2000-01 – 35
    • 2001-02 – 37
    • 2002-03 – 43
    • 2003-04 – 34
    • 2004-05 – 34
    • 2005-06 – 35
    • 2006-07 – 39
    • 2007-08 – 37
    • 2008-09 – 35
    • 2009-10 – 31
    • 2010-11 – 40
    • 2011-12 – 37
    • 2012-13 – 37
    • 2013-14 – 34
    • 2014-15 – 36
    • 2015-16 – 38
    • 2016-17 – 35
    • 2017-18 – 34
    • 2018-19 – 35
    • 2019-20 – 35
    • 2020-21 – 29
    • 2021-22 – 36
    • 2022-23 – 35
    • 2023-24 – 27

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    Get Involvedpublished at 11:56 BST

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    If Spurs get anything against Leeds next week I think it’ll be done

    Alfonso

  12. Points needed to guarantee safetypublished at 11:53 BST

    A graphic showing the number of seasons in which the point tally has been enough to surviveImage source, BBC Sport
    • 25 points or less – survival in 0/30 seasons (0%)
    • 26 – survival in 1/30 seasons (3.33%)
    • 27 – survival in 2/30 seasons (6.67%)
    • 28 – survival in 2/30 seasons (6.67%)
    • 29 – survival in 3/30 seasons (10%)
    • 30 – survival in 3/30 seasons (10%)
    • 31 – survival in 4/30 seasons (13.33%)
    • 32 – survival in 4/30 seasons (13.33%)
    • 33 – survival in 4/30 seasons (13.33%)
    • 34 – survival in 9/30 seasons (30%)
    • 35 – survival in 16/30 seasons (53.33%)
    • 36 – survival in 18/30 seasons (60%)
    • 37 – survival in 23/30 seasons (76.67%)
    • 38 – survival in 24/30 seasons (80%)
    • 39 – survival in 26/30 seasons (86.67%)
    • 40 – survival in 27/30 seasons (90%)
    • 41 – survival in 29/30 seasons (96.67%)
    • 42 – survival in 29/30 seasons (96.67%)
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    Get Involvedpublished at 11:47 BST

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    Spurs fan - I’m very proud of how we played yesterday but this is not over. We need to get past Leeds next week and hope West Ham lose to almost guarantee safety - but that’s not easy with how Leeds have been playing recently. I still fancy us to win though.

    Dhruv

  14. How many points do you need to stay in the Premier League?published at 11:41 BST

    Jonty Colman
    BBC Sport Journalist

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    Premier League teams finishing on 36 or more points in each of the past nine seasons were guaranteed safety from relegation.

    In the 20-team Premier League era, starting from the 1995-96 season, the average number of points needed for survival by finishing 17th is 35.53.

    No team in the past nine campaigns has earned 36 points and been relegated.

    However, this season is on track to be the toughest to survive in 15 years. After 35 rounds of games, 18th place is projected to finish on 39 points, meaning 40 points would be enough to guarantee survival.

    In the 30 Premier League 38-game seasons, 36 points has ensured survival 60% of the time.

    That rate of survival increases to 80% for 38 points, 90% for 40 points and 100% for 43 or more points.

    West Ham hold the record for the team relegated with the most points in the 20-team era. In the 2002-03 season, the Hammers picked up 42 points but were still relegated.

    The safety thresholds for the last two seasons have been significantly lower due to newly promoted teams struggling in the Premier League. The last two seasons have seen 26 and 27 points be enough to seal safety respectively.

    Only once prior to the 2023-24 season has a total below 30 points been enough to seal survival.

  15. Postpublished at 11:40 BST

    Craig Nelson
    BBC Sport reporter

    We are coming to Nottingham Forest in a moment Graham - what a rollercoaster their season has been!

    Will there be another twist in their tale?

    Well you have all had long enough now to crunch the numbers and work out how many points you believe it will take to survive in the Premier League this season.

    At present, you all seem to be torn between '39 or 40' (35%) and '41 or 42' (46%).

    Let's have a look at the Premier League history books to see if what happened in the past can give us any pointers to what the future might have in store...

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    Get Involvedpublished at 11:35 BST

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    Forest will go, have had that feeling all season long. They may beat Villa in Europe and be distracted from the important stuff.

    Graham

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    Get Involvedpublished at 11:34 BST

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    As a Leeds fan I’m very proud for how my team has played this season. I really want us to beat Spurs and I think even if Leeds win, West Ham will still go down, it's a tough ask with their fixtures.

    Luke

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    Get Involvedpublished at 11:32 BST

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    As a West Ham fan - our time in the Premier league is all but over. We were so, so poor for most of the season. We were woeful in some matches. Threw away leads in matches as unable to defend properly. We're getting what we deserve.

    Paul

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    Get Involvedpublished at 11:25 BST

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    Alex @11:14 is mistaking Arsenal fans for Spurs fans. No Arsenal fan prioritises Spurs' fate over their own team's.

    Simon

  20. Poll: How many points will be enough for survival?published at 11:22 BST

    Right, now that you have had a chance look at those fixtures again, check out the bottom six of the Premier League table, then see if you can figure out how many points it will take to avoid relegation this season...

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